1 00:00:05,090 --> 00:00:02,750 Hudson County New Jersey the town of 2 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,100 North Bergen a middle-class suburb 3 00:00:09,650 --> 00:00:07,319 across the river from New York City 4 00:00:12,530 --> 00:00:09,660 its residents are hard-working educated 5 00:00:14,690 --> 00:00:12,540 professionals who tend to be realists 6 00:00:17,630 --> 00:00:14,700 this is also a place where there have 7 00:00:19,609 --> 00:00:17,640 been persistent claims of alien and UFO 8 00:00:21,950 --> 00:00:19,619 sightings 9 00:00:23,870 --> 00:00:21,960 George obarsky owned a Manhattan liquor 10 00:00:25,429 --> 00:00:23,880 store and drove the same route back to 11 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:25,439 his home in North Bergen New Jersey 12 00:00:32,709 --> 00:00:29,039 every night for decades 13 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:32,719 at 3 A.M on the morning of January 12 14 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:35,340 1975. as he was driving through the 15 00:00:40,729 --> 00:00:37,980 local park his radio reception suddenly 16 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:40,739 became distorted he related the 17 00:00:45,889 --> 00:00:42,780 subsequent events to UFO investigator 18 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:45,899 Bud Hopkins who recorded his story with 19 00:00:52,369 --> 00:00:48,780 a portable tape recorder well I would 20 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:52,379 say that that thing was 30 feet across 21 00:00:59,209 --> 00:00:55,980 it's a big thing yeah and it seemed to 22 00:01:01,310 --> 00:00:59,219 be I would say maybe six feet high you 23 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:01,320 know like take a pill okay it was blown 24 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:04,979 up like a like a pancake right 25 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:07,860 yeah and the King landed 26 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:10,380 right ahead of me he describes small 27 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:12,240 figures who got out he said they look 28 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:14,400 like kids in snow suits and they were 29 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:16,820 each one carrying a kind of a squarish 30 00:01:22,609 --> 00:01:19,880 receptacle and a long spoon-like shovel 31 00:01:24,109 --> 00:01:22,619 they dug soil samples extremely quickly 32 00:01:25,670 --> 00:01:24,119 spooning up the dirt put it in the 33 00:01:28,490 --> 00:01:25,680 little satchels and got back in the 34 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:28,500 craft he said they moved incredibly fast 35 00:01:32,929 --> 00:01:31,259 like kids coming down a fire escape and 36 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:32,939 the thing took off he was absolutely 37 00:01:36,590 --> 00:01:35,280 terrified stunned he didn't know what he 38 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:36,600 was seeing 39 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:39,119 even after George obarsky made it home 40 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:42,060 he was still shaken terrorized by what 41 00:01:47,230 --> 00:01:45,000 he had encountered I was scared to death 42 00:01:50,510 --> 00:01:47,240 yeah you know 43 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:50,520 and I immediately made some tea 44 00:01:55,310 --> 00:01:52,799 boy after that I turned on his radio 45 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:55,320 because I took two aspirins you know I 46 00:01:59,330 --> 00:01:57,540 was still scared right oh man just 47 00:02:00,530 --> 00:01:59,340 either I'm going crazy something else 48 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:00,540 was wrong 49 00:02:06,289 --> 00:02:03,840 George obarsky died in 1990. his son 50 00:02:10,930 --> 00:02:06,299 Frank remembers his father's story well 51 00:02:14,710 --> 00:02:10,940 what he described was a big 52 00:02:17,570 --> 00:02:14,720 sorcer-like uh 53 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:17,580 object which for want of any better 54 00:02:23,150 --> 00:02:19,700 explanation you'd have to call a UFO 55 00:02:26,510 --> 00:02:23,160 unidentified flying object that came 56 00:02:30,250 --> 00:02:26,520 down was sort of dislike on the bottom 57 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:30,260 had very strange lighting sort of glowed 58 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:34,200 the Clincher was after it landed my 59 00:02:39,710 --> 00:02:36,420 father described himself as being 60 00:02:41,630 --> 00:02:39,720 basically Frozen almost in fear and this 61 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:41,640 is a guy who'd been robbed a lot in the 62 00:02:47,089 --> 00:02:43,560 liquor store in New York and 63 00:02:49,610 --> 00:02:47,099 knew what fear was like and had coped 64 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:49,620 with it a lot but he was he said he was 65 00:02:57,430 --> 00:02:55,430 Bud Hopkins tried to corroborate George 66 00:03:00,050 --> 00:02:57,440 obarski's story with other Witnesses 67 00:03:01,970 --> 00:03:00,060 including a doorman who worked at the 68 00:03:03,530 --> 00:03:01,980 Stonehenge apartment building across the 69 00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:03,540 street from the park 70 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:04,800 I realized it was a big apartment 71 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:07,680 building there so I spent weeks trying 72 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:09,900 to locate the doorman I called him and I 73 00:03:15,170 --> 00:03:13,560 remember my adrenaline rushing when this 74 00:03:17,089 --> 00:03:15,180 man said I will never forget it this 75 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:17,099 Flying Saucer came down and landed in 76 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:19,680 the park and I watched the thing come 77 00:03:23,690 --> 00:03:21,420 down then he started describing what it 78 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:23,700 looked like and it was an identical 79 00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:25,440 description to George 80 00:03:30,410 --> 00:03:27,840 after writing about obarsky's story in 81 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:30,420 the Village Voice newspaper Bud Hopkins 82 00:03:34,790 --> 00:03:31,980 kept looking for other possible 83 00:03:37,009 --> 00:03:34,800 Witnesses one family came 84 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:37,019 to light afterwards they were living 85 00:03:42,350 --> 00:03:39,480 about five blocks away seeing this 86 00:03:44,690 --> 00:03:42,360 object coming down the street maybe 40 87 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,700 feet up slanted 88 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:46,560 and they described it as if it was 89 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:48,780 looking in their windows and even though 90 00:03:54,949 --> 00:03:51,500 the woman in the family was Ill 91 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,959 she ran outside at her nightgown bare 92 00:03:58,610 --> 00:03:57,120 feet and the father and the children ran 93 00:03:59,869 --> 00:03:58,620 out and they followed this thing down 94 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:59,879 the street 95 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:01,980 a North Bergen School teacher Anne 96 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:04,260 karlovich says she listened skeptically 97 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:06,599 as her daughters described The Tell-Tale 98 00:04:11,390 --> 00:04:08,760 evidence in the park on the day after 99 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:11,400 the alleged incident 100 00:04:17,689 --> 00:04:14,700 back in 1975 we had heard about this 101 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:17,699 incident that there was a flying solicit 102 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:19,799 in the park so my daughter and her 103 00:04:23,150 --> 00:04:21,660 friends went down to the park to see 104 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:23,160 what was going on and they all kept 105 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:25,560 running back saying they saw rings and 106 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:27,720 burn marks in the grass 107 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:30,300 in the field down near the softball 108 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:32,699 field and they told me the whole story 109 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:35,100 about broken windows that the Stonehenge 110 00:04:39,409 --> 00:04:37,440 had a large glass facade and it was 111 00:04:42,610 --> 00:04:39,419 broken by a beam of light that hit it 112 00:04:44,810 --> 00:04:42,620 the kids were awfully excited about it 113 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:44,820 francobarsky also went to the site with 114 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:47,100 his father he knew him as a practical 115 00:04:52,129 --> 00:04:49,560 man so it was difficult for him to 116 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,139 understand why his Dad held to such a 117 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:54,720 seemingly irrational story 118 00:05:00,110 --> 00:04:57,360 he didn't show much interest in things 119 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:00,120 that couldn't be proved or disproved or 120 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:02,580 that didn't apply to everyday life and 121 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:04,919 this was one of those categories that he 122 00:05:11,230 --> 00:05:07,380 felt didn't apply to Everyday Life 123 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:11,240 so I had a lot of trouble 124 00:05:15,770 --> 00:05:13,620 reconciling my knowledge of my father 125 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:15,780 with this story he was telling me he 126 00:05:21,230 --> 00:05:18,960 said you know I've lived a long life as 127 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:21,240 honorably and truthfully as I was able 128 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:23,400 to he said a man doesn't do that for 129 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:25,800 over 70 years and then throw it all away 130 00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:29,220 by making up some foolishness 131 00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:31,320 since the alleged sighting made famous 132 00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:35,460 by George obarsky in 1975 residents of 133 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:37,620 North Bergen New Jersey have reported 134 00:05:41,930 --> 00:05:40,080 seeing dozens of UFOs on a number of 135 00:05:46,129 --> 00:05:41,940 different occasions 136 00:05:48,590 --> 00:05:46,139 in the early evening of July 6 1986 Wall 137 00:05:51,409 --> 00:05:48,600 Street investor Ron Lee an artist 138 00:05:53,210 --> 00:05:51,419 nanetta nappy were enjoying the sunset 139 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:53,220 on her Terrace in the Stonehenge 140 00:05:57,529 --> 00:05:55,020 apartment complex 141 00:05:59,870 --> 00:05:57,539 I just said what the heck is that out in 142 00:06:03,230 --> 00:05:59,880 the sky I was just staring out and I saw 143 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:03,240 something that was unidentifiable to me 144 00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:05,520 and annetta and I looked at it and it 145 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:08,000 wasn't moving it didn't have any sound 146 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:10,560 and we just followed it with our eyes 147 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:12,960 and tried to guess what what that could 148 00:06:17,570 --> 00:06:15,660 be had it had a motor sound to it I 149 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:17,580 would not have been suspicious but the 150 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:19,680 fact that it was so silent and large it 151 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:21,900 was a large shaped object it drew my 152 00:06:26,930 --> 00:06:23,520 attention even further I might have just 153 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:26,940 ignored it it was oval and it had two 154 00:06:31,730 --> 00:06:29,340 three sets of Lights underneath it and 155 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:31,740 it just kept stationary in the sky for 156 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:34,800 five ten minutes and then at some point 157 00:06:41,809 --> 00:06:38,400 it just took off and went South in a 158 00:06:45,909 --> 00:06:41,819 fashion without gaining momentum but 159 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:45,919 just going straight off with uh 160 00:06:52,249 --> 00:06:49,319 accelerated speed beyond what I was used 161 00:06:54,650 --> 00:06:52,259 to seeing and shortly after that very 162 00:06:56,930 --> 00:06:54,660 shortly we saw her we heard 163 00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:56,940 noise and and then sore military 164 00:07:02,210 --> 00:06:59,039 aircraft following it 165 00:07:04,790 --> 00:07:02,220 the next day sightings of this UFO were 166 00:07:06,469 --> 00:07:04,800 reported in the Press nanetta was not 167 00:07:08,749 --> 00:07:06,479 one of the people who had called the 168 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:08,759 local officials you want to talk about 169 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:11,100 things that people could think that 170 00:07:16,490 --> 00:07:13,199 you're a little strange thinking about 171 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:16,500 it I was in denial about it because I 172 00:07:21,129 --> 00:07:18,560 didn't want to accept or believe 173 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:21,139 but this thing was 174 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:24,720 did not have a rational reason behind it 175 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:27,120 two years later in the same area of New 176 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:30,060 Jersey disc jockey Dave Delia claims he 177 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:32,460 witnessed an unidentified flying object 178 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:35,280 on Saint Patrick's Day in 1988 over 179 00:07:39,950 --> 00:07:37,259 North Hudson Park 180 00:07:42,350 --> 00:07:39,960 Dalia says he was driving home when he 181 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:42,360 noticed something in the sky he pulled 182 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:44,460 over as I'm standing there it's getting 183 00:07:48,529 --> 00:07:46,080 closer and closer 184 00:07:50,689 --> 00:07:48,539 no noise at all 185 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:50,699 but the lights that made up the triangle 186 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:53,520 were white I mean the the Diamond were 187 00:07:57,710 --> 00:07:55,440 white and green 188 00:07:59,809 --> 00:07:57,720 Dalia returned to his car and followed 189 00:08:02,510 --> 00:07:59,819 the UFO down the parkway for several 190 00:08:05,210 --> 00:08:02,520 miles noting the shape of The Craft 191 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:05,220 the shape of the UFO was a diamond shape 192 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:06,539 like this 193 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:08,880 where my thumbs are was basically the 194 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:10,500 part that was coming toward me 195 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:12,240 that's how it was flying 196 00:08:18,589 --> 00:08:15,900 in 1993 five years after Delia's 197 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:18,599 reported 1988 siding another North 198 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:21,240 Bergen resident Anne karlovich who had 199 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:23,400 been skeptical of the earlier obarsky 200 00:08:28,369 --> 00:08:26,220 sighting claimed she too was an 201 00:08:29,570 --> 00:08:28,379 eyewitness to an unidentified flying 202 00:08:32,089 --> 00:08:29,580 object 203 00:08:35,209 --> 00:08:32,099 I saw this very kind of a elliptical 204 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:35,219 shaped large light shining and I looked 205 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:37,680 at it and I said Gee wow what is that 206 00:08:44,029 --> 00:08:40,680 and it was seemed to be moving very 207 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:44,039 slowly but I wasn't sure and then as I 208 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:47,220 turned my car around it was gone 209 00:08:52,009 --> 00:08:50,040 so I came into the house and my 210 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:52,019 son-in-law and daughter were here 211 00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:55,200 and I said to Joe my son-in-law said wow 212 00:09:01,009 --> 00:08:56,940 did I see something strange on Boulevard 213 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:01,019 East and he said I saw it too it had a 214 00:09:08,329 --> 00:09:04,980 sort of eerie glow it looked metallic 215 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:08,339 and was was very well lit 216 00:09:13,210 --> 00:09:11,220 like with a fluorescent 217 00:09:16,630 --> 00:09:13,220 bright 218 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:16,640 kind of light as I recall it to be a 219 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:21,240 blimp-like object like an elongate 220 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:23,100 looking ellipse 221 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:27,480 you know elliptical sphere if you will 222 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:29,760 Joe bass remembers reading the next day 223 00:09:34,190 --> 00:09:31,920 in the local newspaper that all the 224 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:34,200 blimps in the area had been grounded due 225 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:36,180 to foggy weather 226 00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:39,360 I know it wasn't I know that it wasn't 227 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:42,180 some sort of uh 228 00:09:47,210 --> 00:09:45,120 lights on the clouds or Media or 229 00:09:50,030 --> 00:09:47,220 anything like that I suspect it was 230 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:50,040 either some kind of government aircraft 231 00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:52,920 some Air Force kind of aircraft that 232 00:09:56,690 --> 00:09:54,540 they don't let on that they have 233 00:09:58,550 --> 00:09:56,700 aircraft of this Titan it wasn't a plane 234 00:10:02,750 --> 00:09:58,560 it wasn't a helicopter it was like a 235 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:04,130 um 236 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:06,240 it is quite clear that people in this 237 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:09,360 area believe they are seeing UFOs but 238 00:10:14,870 --> 00:10:11,880 are they alien spacecraft 239 00:10:16,730 --> 00:10:14,880 since World War II reports of UFO 240 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:16,740 sightings have grown to Merit a system 241 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:19,680 of classification a way to categorize 242 00:10:23,389 --> 00:10:21,600 people's claims 243 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:23,399 this method was developed by an 244 00:10:28,009 --> 00:10:25,140 astronomy professor at Northwestern 245 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:28,019 University J Allen heineck 246 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:30,600 it was he who coined the phrase Close 247 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:33,000 Encounter of the Third Kind to describe 248 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:39,889 Philip embrogno collaborated with 249 00:10:45,470 --> 00:10:43,860 heineck on his final book in 1987. they 250 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:45,480 collected accounts of East Coast 251 00:10:50,690 --> 00:10:48,180 sightings which imbrogno says number 252 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:50,700 into the thousands as it began to 253 00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:53,040 investigate more cases I began to 254 00:10:57,470 --> 00:10:54,720 realize that I was just touching the tip 255 00:10:59,269 --> 00:10:57,480 of the iceberg actually over in a period 256 00:11:01,850 --> 00:10:59,279 of five years there were seven thousand 257 00:11:04,850 --> 00:11:01,860 sightings now they were made by people 258 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:04,860 who are pillars in the community police 259 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:08,660 officers Pilots lawyers Educators 260 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:10,980 scientists Executives from major 261 00:11:15,650 --> 00:11:12,420 corporations 262 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:15,660 all saw an object that they considered 263 00:11:20,690 --> 00:11:17,600 to be larger than a football field 264 00:11:23,389 --> 00:11:20,700 flying overhead 265 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:23,399 psychologist Hubert dolezal maintains 266 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:26,040 that UFO Believers are mistaken in what 267 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:27,720 they think they are seeing 268 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:29,700 what we're looking at is a perceptual 269 00:11:34,850 --> 00:11:31,800 phenomenon where the background 270 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:34,860 information is either dark conditions or 271 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:37,620 dust conditions and where there's very 272 00:11:42,889 --> 00:11:40,019 little visual structure against which 273 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:42,899 the object appears add to that 274 00:11:49,990 --> 00:11:45,540 the question of does this person have 275 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:50,000 myopia nearsightedness and astigmatism 276 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:52,440 suffers from any other kind of visual 277 00:11:55,490 --> 00:11:53,640 defect 278 00:11:58,030 --> 00:11:55,500 and now you're looking at the question 279 00:12:00,410 --> 00:11:58,040 of not only unidentified 280 00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:00,420 moving objects but unidentified 281 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:04,500 stationary objects I know what I saw 282 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:07,440 say ice no I saw something that didn't 283 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:14,690 syndicated columnist Sally Deering grew 284 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:16,860 up in the North Bergen area she's heard 285 00:12:22,430 --> 00:12:19,440 dozens of the local UFO stories and she 286 00:12:24,050 --> 00:12:22,440 thinks any belief in aliens and UFOs is 287 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:24,060 ridiculous 288 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:27,000 they jump to UFO you know and I think 289 00:12:30,230 --> 00:12:28,740 they jump to that too quickly you know 290 00:12:32,690 --> 00:12:30,240 there's a lot of ways you could explain 291 00:12:34,190 --> 00:12:32,700 a lot of these things that we see and I 292 00:12:35,810 --> 00:12:34,200 think that people just want to believe 293 00:12:37,370 --> 00:12:35,820 you know they'll go from a to alien 294 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:37,380 before they'll go to A to B and I 295 00:12:40,910 --> 00:12:38,940 remember back in the early 70s how we 296 00:12:43,150 --> 00:12:40,920 would read books you know Robert 297 00:12:46,910 --> 00:12:43,160 Heinlein says Stranger in a Strange Land 298 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:46,920 protvanicus books and we would accept uh 299 00:12:51,949 --> 00:12:49,260 science fiction as some kind of metaphor 300 00:12:53,810 --> 00:12:51,959 for uh what we were living in at the 301 00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:53,820 time you know we the sort of feeling 302 00:12:59,629 --> 00:12:56,820 about being outcasts in a society 303 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:59,639 are alienated people confusing Science 304 00:13:04,490 --> 00:13:01,680 Fiction with reality 305 00:13:07,310 --> 00:13:04,500 according to Professor dolezal those who 306 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:07,320 claim to see aliens and UFOs may be 307 00:13:11,569 --> 00:13:09,300 experiencing the psychological need to 308 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:11,579 be a part of a trend something bigger 309 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:13,980 than themselves thus latching on to 310 00:13:18,410 --> 00:13:16,139 observations which have little or no 311 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:18,420 supporting evidence what I do believe is 312 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:21,300 going on it's the proverbial bandwagon 313 00:13:28,129 --> 00:13:24,720 effect that it's popular to be included 314 00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:28,139 and to be part of this it is becoming 315 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:30,240 more and more accepted the illness of 316 00:13:35,509 --> 00:13:31,620 your nuts or there's something wrong 317 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:35,519 with your brain or your liar is has been 318 00:13:40,670 --> 00:13:37,560 vastly decreased I think people are more 319 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:40,680 open to the possibility I believe every 320 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:42,120 human being wants to be part of 321 00:13:45,889 --> 00:13:43,740 something that is special that is 322 00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:45,899 important that is exciting certainly the 323 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:47,940 Advent of human beings becoming more 324 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:49,680 sophisticated in terms of space travel 325 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:53,040 on yearnings to be in space and and to 326 00:13:58,009 --> 00:13:55,380 populate other planets I think all of 327 00:14:01,129 --> 00:13:58,019 that is fueled and reasonably so this 328 00:14:03,650 --> 00:14:01,139 entire belief system and movement 329 00:14:05,930 --> 00:14:03,660 although Skeptics like Professor dolis 330 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:05,940 all give compelling reasons why people 331 00:14:08,509 --> 00:14:07,500 think they see things which are not 332 00:14:10,730 --> 00:14:08,519 really there 333 00:14:13,550 --> 00:14:10,740 Believers remain irritated by the 334 00:14:16,490 --> 00:14:13,560 general skepticism they encounter 335 00:14:19,069 --> 00:14:16,500 Franco barsky is still perplexed by his 336 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:19,079 father's alleged experience it really 337 00:14:25,009 --> 00:14:22,079 bothered him that that people 338 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:25,019 thought he was lying about this and 339 00:14:29,810 --> 00:14:27,600 that's the thing that I find the most 340 00:14:31,069 --> 00:14:29,820 compelling about about this whole story 341 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:31,079 and the thing that I have the most 342 00:14:35,090 --> 00:14:32,940 trouble with is I suppose it is 343 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:35,100 frightening because it's the unknown you 344 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:37,220 know things that are not really 345 00:14:44,449 --> 00:14:40,440 part of the known are frightening 346 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,310 I could be wrong but I think that was 347 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,480 really a once in a lifetime